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Welcome to the Curious Refuge Podcast. Curious Refuge is a home for unlocking your inner storytelling using the latest tools. We are on the cusp of an entirely new era of storytelling. Artificial Intelligence is democratizing creativity and creating storytellers who otherwise may have never had the opportunity to create their stories. Join us as we talk with industry leaders and creatives who are helping develop AI to be an incredible tool for the filmmaker’s arsenal.
Episodes

Thursday Feb 20, 2025
Exploring the “Newmorphic” side of AI with Mike Gioia and Ian Eck
Thursday Feb 20, 2025
Thursday Feb 20, 2025
In this conversation the co-founders of Pickaxe share their musings and observations of the future of Generative AI, looking well beyond the applications in film and TV, spotting new trends of how wholly new experiences lay ahead. How meme culture, randomization, and and a new breed of creator-led internet community is growing in the wake of this new technology.
Show Notes:
https://www.pickaxeproject.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IerHRlRf0eQ
https://intelligentjello.substack.com/
https://latearrivals.substack.com/
https://www.aionthelot.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q41-LUK9KJk

Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
King Willonious and BBL Drizzy, a Gen AI folk tale
Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
In this episode we meet Will Hatcher aka King Willonious, comedian, writer, and internet breaker. His AI-generated track BBL Drizzy landed him in the center of the diss track wars between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, in all the best ways, eventually landing him in Time Magazine’s Top 100 Most Influential People in AI. Learn how it came about but more importantly how Will built off this incredible moment, and his advice to other creators both young and established.
Show Notes:
https://curiousrefuge.com/courses
https://www.kingwillonius.com/about
https://www.kingwillonius.com/videos-1/v/daily-calm-yyhd4-k5ams?categoryId=6673bacf5162aa7fa73f89b4
https://www.kingwillonius.com/videos-1
https://www.instagram.com/p/DDH72VetAAk/
https://www.instagram.com/p/DDAbphKSDoL/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/p/DDS5iGcS9kS/?img_index=1

Wednesday Feb 05, 2025
As Seen on (Your TCL) TV
Wednesday Feb 05, 2025
Wednesday Feb 05, 2025
Fred speaks to TCL North America Chief Content Officer Chris Regina and Filmmaker Kurt Yaeger about “Best Day of My Life” a docu-fiction short, one of 5 films that premiered at Hollywood’s Chinese Theater, part of their first-ever AI/ TV Film accelerator program, content being developed for TCLtv+ the new dedicated ad-supported streaming service available on TCL and most other TV sets.
Links from the Episode: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ-ibY7OX2qr88zaj8mOsBZr-BR7spAyX

Wednesday Jan 29, 2025
Tales of Regeneration: Verena Puhm
Wednesday Jan 29, 2025
Wednesday Jan 29, 2025
In this series of conversations, Fred explores the stories of creators re-inventing their careers through the opportunities of generative AI tools and technologies. The acclaimed actress/ screenwriter/ producer shares her journey as an early adopter, how the community spirit of like-minded filmmakers helped her overcome impostor syndrome, and how rocketboom her career into new opportunities repped by agency Secret Level, with soon to be announced releases at major festivals.
Show notes:
https://www.secretlevel.co/portfolio/verena-puhm/
http://www.theverenapuhm.com/
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrPus3T4qa_rXzdA25xAgb3cO9sS3k1pB&si=T1v6D7CFj57JXDja

Wednesday Jan 22, 2025
Resurrection by AI
Wednesday Jan 22, 2025
Wednesday Jan 22, 2025
In this conversation we meet Filmmaker Benjamin Field who has been at the forefront of Generative AI’s use case with documentaries and unscripted content. He’s been more than an early adopter, but an early pioneer using his experience to help craft Ethics and Policy for creators and and broadcasters. Along the way he’s creating new experiences resurrecting beloved but deceased famous figures to appear in documentaries, and in the case of “Virtually Parkinson” to host their own podcasts.
Show Notes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJfv0XVykY
https://discord.com/channels/@me/1309295416772132874/1318330274852901006
https://discord.com/channels/@me/1309295416772132874/1318330274852901006

Wednesday Jan 15, 2025
Media Tectonics with the Big Brain of Doug Shapiro
Wednesday Jan 15, 2025
Wednesday Jan 15, 2025
In this conversation, we meet one of the sharpest media analysts and thinkers. With a deep resume at high levels of strategy in legacy media, Doug’s perspective on the current moment of disruption is prescient. What YouTube and social video did to mainstream media’s control of distribution, is now happening with Generative AI’s unlock of high quality production. From here we will stare at the data of the present and imagine a “neumorphic” future.

Wednesday Jan 08, 2025
Lessons from the VFX past, a view to an AI near Future
Wednesday Jan 08, 2025
Wednesday Jan 08, 2025
A conversation with Andy Cochrane, Immersive Content Creator and VFX Veteran. Most recently Senior Vice President of Post Production Innovation at MSG Sphere Studios serving immersive entertainment venue “The Sphere” in Las Vegas, he has a long resume in VR, XR and beyond. In this chat, he shares his learnings from past media + tech hype cycles, what can be learned and applied to the current excitement surrounding Gen AI, and how he’s adapting his last Immersive content to these tools.
Here are the show notes:
Check out our AI courses at https://www.curiousrefuge.com
https://www.loud-movies.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuNR27qXwg
More of Andy's work: https://andrew-cochrane.com

Friday Dec 06, 2024
The AI Film News Podcast | Spotify Used AI for Spotify Wrapped?
Friday Dec 06, 2024
Friday Dec 06, 2024
Here are links from this episode:
https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/26/artists-appears-to-have-leaked-access-to-openais-sora/
https://theankler.com/p/tv-writers-scripts-ai-training-controversy-chatbot
https://aws.amazon.com/bedrock/luma-ai/
https://x.com/LumaLabsAI/status/1863688635780042795
https://runwayml.com/research/creativity-as-search-mapping-latent-space
https://x.com/runwayml/status/1860074950167818617
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/amazon-nova-artificial-intelligence-bedrock-aws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga-kMi9Tv3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUEFXQeTvM

Friday Dec 06, 2024
Rethinking Visual Media with AI Powered 3D Tools
Friday Dec 06, 2024
Friday Dec 06, 2024
Check out Michaels Work:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelrubloff/
https://radiancefields.com/
Check out the show notes from this episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EohIA7QPmmE
https://radiancefields.com/radiance-fields-in-the-elizabeth-street-garden
https://radiancefields.com/a-safe-place-to-land-a-nerf-documentary
https://www.instagram.com/paultrillo/reel/DBRE4K2p_89/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwZkIEQDj10
https://virtual.basilicasanpietro.va/en/basilica-viewer/filarete-door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NudQHBrkqhY
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nonny-de-la-pe%C3%B1a-phd-4363644_4dgaussiansplatting-3dgaussiansplatting-3d-activity-7258201795917721600-8Ml3
https://radiancefields.com/nerfs-win-two-more-emmys

Friday Nov 22, 2024
The AI Film News Podcast | Humans Prefer AI Poems
Friday Nov 22, 2024
Friday Nov 22, 2024
Welcome to this week's episode of the AI Film News podcast. As you probably know, it has been a crazy week in the world of AI News. We are superrrr excited to chat about some things that have been going on recently.
If you haven't, feel free to check out the AI Film News Webshow over on YouTube to get even more insight into what is happening in the world of Artificial Intelligence. We hope you Enjoy. :)
Check out the latest episode of AI Film News and the links mentioned here as well:
https://youtu.be/EQeseFmFCc4